of course, joe manchin is the hero in this. from the very beginning, joe has been talking about sensible gun regulation. he's in west virginia. he's catching a lot of flak from it. but joe's not in favor of gun control. joe, like me, believes that americans have a right to keep and bear arms, to have handguns in their homes, shotguns, hunting rifles to protect their families, to go hunting. joe just doesn't believe that there should be no regulations. and i think tom, with this universal background check approach, i think we're going to see this moving towards passage. and that's a good first step towards sensible regulation of some of the most, i think, most extreme weapons and high-capacity magazines. >> willie. >> and as joe says, it's incredibly popular. the american public, 90% of americans favor some kind of a background check. that chicago story you read, the city is such a fascinating case study in gun control because gun rights advocates say you have the toughest gun laws in the country. handguns were outright banned u